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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:48 pm

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I think, if anything, the norm is to localize country names. It's a bit weirder when town or city names are translated (München to Munich, Göteborg to Gothenburg), though, as things don't usually go to that level of detail. I imagine that when it does, it's due to the place being significant enough to the other country to be talked about a lot, and its name being incompatible enough with the language to be worth translating.

If you're talking about mere pronunciation, that may be more a combination of poor education and people speaking in the manner that comes naturally to them. Every language has a system of rules and patterns and prosody and so on that dictates more or less how a sentence in that language will sound. Words and phrases of foreign origin, unless they are still conspicuously on loan, will be assimilated into the form of the host language.

I find it quite interesting that people will often affect an accent when using foreign phrases, intending to give an air of intelligence and sophistication, but on the rare occasions I hear someone speaking a foreign language say an English word with English pronunciation it sounds amusing and kind of ridiculous. I wonder whether it's because I view the English language as being rather base and uncultured (which would be rather silly, but I do have a tendency to feel badly about any group that contains me).
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:00 pm

I'm interested to follow up on your last point, because in my Spanish class some people take on an accent and others don't. To me, the people speaking Spanish with the same rhythm and accent that they do for English sounds ridiculous, but I don't want to seem ridiculous or offend by feigning the accent of a person from a Spanish-speaking country.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:28 pm

Well it's a bit different when you're talking a foreign language. Then you're entering a different mode of communication, so I think it's appropriate to make some sort of effort at the accent, at least to the extent that you're not completely mutilating the vowels or reading entirely phonetically (according to your mother tongue). One ought to be careful not to sound like a caricature, but I think it's respectful to "meet them half-way", as it were.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:04 pm

It's probably difficult to not give great offense if you're terrible at accents. It doesn't help that for my first year of learning Spanish at this school I was learning Spain Spanish and now I'm being taught by a Puerto Rican woman. I think the accent I use must sound like some horrible amalgamation of Spanish from Europe and South America and my American English.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby MysticalDescent » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:13 am

The importance of using foreign accents comes across when you're having to watch a stream of a sports game with foreign commentary and you occasionally pick up the odd English word, usually somebody's name, pronounced in the most bizarre fashion.

That's actually probably irrelevant, although it was interesting to see how different combinations of letters are pronounced in Spanish without having to actually have any knowledge of Spanish.
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Postby Skimba » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:35 pm

I made my msn account months ago, to play and track the games that I play at lunch. As I was signing up they said my user name was taken (probably by me from a couple years ago) and I was about to just add some numbers at the end, like I usually do, I then noticed the suggested random names they had come up with for me. So I chose (per msn's suggestion) Vagile_Lamb. So the random thought I just had was "I wonder what and who people think I am to have chosen that user name?" It cracks me up.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:10 pm

jvcc wrote:It's probably difficult to not give great offense if you're terrible at accents. It doesn't help that for my first year of learning Spanish at this school I was learning Spain Spanish and now I'm being taught by a Puerto Rican woman. I think the accent I use must sound like some horrible amalgamation of Spanish from Europe and South America and my American English.

I'm not very good at accents at all, which is quite disappointing for me. I find the non-rhoticity of my natural accent particularly frustrating, as it makes getting the Rs in foreign words right pretty difficult. Or that might just be me.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby chrismachine » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:59 pm

I speak a brand of French somewhat unique to the Ottawa valley and the neighbouring parts of Quebec in the Greater Ottawa Area, so it's fun to hear accents from other places as a great many French speakers here speak in a way I am used to. One of my new colleagues is from Nova Scotia and is a francophone, so her accent is awesome to me. I played on a soccer team 2 years ago that had on it at least 5 French speakers, 2 people from Quebec, one from Brussels, and two from France, so I quite enjoyed that as well. My affinity for Monty Python helped my accent repication at a young age, so I would say it is slightly better than average, though well below "good".
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby fanelian » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:21 pm

When I speak english I try to sound as naturally english-speaking as I can. I know I'm doing an accent, but, while I can definitely tell you I'm not trying to do a "Southern" or "Brittish" accent, I cannot tell you what is it that I am trying to emulate. My english accent (or attempt at one) is based in Television shows (Inevitable, I guess, since I hear most of my english there), some radio from just across the border in California, and the people with whom I communicate over the phone on a daily basis; they used to be in the Boston area (for the past 7 years) and now in Toronto, and all over the USA.

If I were to keep my normal, mexican accent, I think it would be harder for the people listening to me to understand my words.

On the other hand, when I speak spanish with a person from Spain, or from another Mexican State, I never even try to change my accent becuase that would come off as mocking - I suppose it's because accent is not necessary to facilitate communication when the same language is being used.

And Kelsey: Puerto Ricans for some reason cannot pronounce R's Correctly in spanish (They pronounce them as "L"), this makes me curious about your spanish class :)
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby MysticalDescent » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:43 pm

fanelian wrote:And Kelsey: Puerto Ricans for some reason cannot pronounce R's Correctly in spanish (They pronounce them as "L"), this makes me curious about your spanish class :)


I swear something along the lines of 'Puerto Lican Good' is screaming out at me.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby fanelian » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:32 pm

We should have a Wine and complain thread. Do we have one? I didn't search. I'd post there while drinking wine. The cheap, delicious kind.
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Postby Binkatron5000 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:49 pm

fanelian wrote:We should have a Wine and complain thread. Do we have one? I didn't search. I'd post there while drinking wine. The cheap, delicious kind.

Hear hear! Booze and complain in general :D
Or just a thread for drunken ramblings. "Internetless" so to speak.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:07 pm

Not a huge wine fan. I'm a wimp when it comes to alcohol; I always need to mix it with something sweet to take away its alcoholy flavor. Amaretto and Dr. Pepper are good, or sour apple pucker and Mountain Dew.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Judas Maccabeus » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:15 pm

*sigh* Now I want some wine, and I don't have easy access to it... mmm... maybe a nice Riesling from the Rhine valley... GAH WHY MUST YOU TORTURE ME SO FAN. :?



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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby PonderThis » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:10 am

jvcc wrote:Not a huge wine fan. I'm a wimp when it comes to alcohol; I always need to mix it with something sweet to take away its alcoholy flavor. Amaretto and Dr. Pepper are good, or sour apple pucker and Mountain Dew.

Rye whiskey and ginger ale is my most favoritest mixed drink in the world at the moment.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby loofah » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:21 pm

fanelian wrote:My english accent (or attempt at one) is based in Television shows (Inevitable, I guess, since I hear most of my english there), some radio from just across the border in California, and the people with whom I communicate over the phone on a daily basis; they used to be in the Boston area (for the past 7 years) and now in Toronto, and all over the USA.

If you're emulating newscasters, apparently they go for a midwestern accent, and depending on where the radio personalities are from, it may be a california accent.
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Postby sum yun gai » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:05 am

it would be easier if you were coming north instead....
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Postby Skimba » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:08 am

I was just in the LA area, but only for two nights.
Anyway - So what do the Brittish people think about the royal wedding? It's apparently a huge rickin'-frackin' deal over here where I can't watch a news cast at any time of the day without an update of some sort.
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Postby PonderThis » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:35 am

Skimba wrote:I was just in the LA area, but only for two nights.
Anyway - So what do the Brittish people think about the royal wedding? It's apparently a huge rickin'-frackin' deal over here where I can't watch a news cast at any time of the day without an update of some sort.

At least it got pushed off the news for a couple of days by that birth certificate bullhonky. But yeah I noticed this morning it's back with a vengeance.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby giantsfan97 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:47 am

I'm currently pretending to care about the Royal Wedding just so I can have sex with a girl. Don't tell her until tomorrow you guys please
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Postby PonderThis » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:58 am

giantsfan97 wrote:I'm currently pretending to care about the Royal Wedding just so I can have sex with a girl. Don't tell her until tomorrow you guys please

Don't lie to your friends. We know you really are into it. I bet you have an Official Royal Wedding Playset and everything. ;)

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:13 pm

From the British tv I watch, all the comedians are making fun of it (as they always will), and the news is fixated on her low birth. They did a piece on how just a few generations ago her family worked in a mine. I've cleverly avoiding all the media attention its getting in the US by being too busy with the end of the semester to watch the news.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:50 pm

I'm not even sure when it's happening. I'd quite like not to know until I've actually missed it. I don't really care one way or the other. I mean, I guess it's expensive, but whatever. At least I get a couple of long weekends (although I had to work on Monday because I'm stupid enough to work for a company that gets really busy when everyone's off work). I also didn't buy any tickets for the Olympics, which is the other thing people are talking about a fair amount. I know it won't happen in England again in my lifetime. That doesn't make me interested in spending a lot of money to watch sport. I'm just not that into it, no matter how big, local or infrequent it is.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby IanC » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:05 pm

My local (ish) Games Workshop store are running a small Warhammer 40,000 tournament tomorrow, so im going to that instead of watching the wedding.

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Postby Judas Maccabeus » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:55 pm

Well I'll be watching it at least. I'll tell yall how it goes. :P
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